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Dann
Dann Thombs
Mar 13, 2013 11:03 PM
Eye Jacket debuted in 1994, so we had 2 years where those frames could have appeared prior to the switch in 1996.
rhlake
Robert Lake
Mar 13, 2013 11:07 PM
I can confirm

GEN 1:
fingerprint
black rain
gold mine

Gen 2:
cobalt

Dann Thombs
any background to the crystal orange GEN 1 pic you have in the database? thank you
Dann
Dann Thombs
Mar 13, 2013 11:11 PM
Saw it on ebay, so no idea.
banarno
Lee Silver
Mar 14, 2013 12:06 AM
I sent Dann that pic years ago, I think it was from a German athlete, but thats as much as I remember.

Dann
Dann Thombs
Mar 14, 2013 12:07 AM
Or Lee sent it to me. I'm senile in my old age.
Alexandre
Alexandre Bellenger
Mar 14, 2013 12:24 AM
The crystal orange are sick! Would love to have them!!!!!!

And yes, never saw GEN1 cobalt.

But GEN 1& 2 for:

Black rain
Carbon
Fingerprint
Gold mine

But I have never seen a GEN1 Gold mine frame with the bronze iridium lens WITHOUT the etched logo on the lens.

A.

Dann
Dann Thombs
Mar 14, 2013 12:26 AM
Gives evidence that the etching occurred prior to the Gen 2 switch, since these prints were very late in the Gen 1 lifetime.
Alexandre
Alexandre Bellenger
Mar 14, 2013 12:37 AM
Yep. Agreed.

There is a guy on the o-addict site that specialised in getting both GEN 1 & 2 models when possible. He's got many : rain, carbon, crystal blue, crystal clear...

A.
Dann
Dann Thombs
Mar 14, 2013 12:33 AM
When I was completing the Slash's, a seller sent me both Generations of Fingerprint. Sadly I had to send one back since I needed the other colorways and couldn't afford to keep all of them.
Alexandre
Alexandre Bellenger
Mar 14, 2013 12:37 AM
Ah, with Slashes too there some GEN1 & GEN2 issues in fact...

A.
Alexandre
Alexandre Bellenger
Mar 14, 2013 12:39 AM
BUT in fact, does fingerprint GEN2 M frame exist???

A.
banarno
Lee Silver
Mar 14, 2013 12:59 AM
Yes it certainly did.

I wish I never sold mine now, but still have pictures of it somewhere.

Alexandre
Alexandre Bellenger
Mar 14, 2013 1:15 AM
Ok... Never saw one...

Lee I sent you a message quite a while ago but maybe yu didnt see it... About some M Frame stuff in fact... Do you remember?

A..
banarno
Lee Silver
Mar 14, 2013 1:22 AM
Hmm, no sorry let me check.



Alexandre
Alexandre Bellenger
Mar 14, 2013 1:24 AM
Maybe like one or two months ago...

If you cant find it may I send you a new one?

Thanks,

A.
banarno
Lee Silver
Mar 14, 2013 1:27 AM
Odd, but I had one message from you which I replyed to (I think) but now its gone?

Yes send me another message mate.


Dann
Dann Thombs
Mar 19, 2013 2:29 AM
I should review my own site from time to time. I've been typing 1996 as the Gen 2 swap, when it's 1994. May be time to check me into the nursing home.
Dann
Dann Thombs
Aug 14, 2013 9:06 PM
Glen claimed to have taken this photo in 1990. That would place Heater much earlier than I thought.
oogie
paul mcj
Aug 14, 2013 10:22 PM
From my first Oakley purchase experience, at a surf shop on the Oregon coast, I remember the Heater being one of the options. I went with the Blade at the time, but can vividly remember that Heater lens and thinking it was very Batman-esque or something. I've penned this first purchase as 1991, know it was not 1992, but could have possibly been 1990.
Just some lame ramblings that don't include a picture of Glen.
Dann
Dann Thombs
Aug 14, 2013 10:51 PM
1991 would make sense since despite the catalog not having a picture, it was penned as 'coming soon'.
mtedenajimenez
Adrian Jimenez
Aug 15, 2013 2:40 AM
I would have put the Heater as the 4th M Frame shape (after V, 67, Hybrid) coming out very late 89 or early 90 (before the change to the "Mumbo with Hammers" boxes). I've seen an original Mumbo box with the "HEATER" sticker from a few people. I think Lee showed one in his Spotlight pics, Paul (Flippj) also has some, and I had one myself. The Heater is the only other shape I've seen on the original Mumbo boxes other then the 1st 3 shapes, which is why I would say that it was the 4th shape.
Dann
Dann Thombs
Aug 23, 2013 5:46 AM
Here's another oddity. Can clearly see that it's a gen 1 with the razor blade nose piece slot. But I've only seen the factory pilot lenses on eyeshades and very few razor blades. My slit lens is one b
mtedenajimenez
Adrian Jimenez
Aug 23, 2013 10:36 AM
I totally was going to bring this one up when I saw the auction on Ebay, then it slipped my mind as I got distracted (stupid work, hahah).

I definitely would sway towards that lens not being original to that frame. The Razor cut nose lenses were stopped way before the introduction of the splatter frames. Presumably, if it was an athlete special, the athlete would have had a prototype splatter frame in 1989, or would have specifically asked for a 1989 gray lens in 1991 or later, both unlikely (especially with so many other cool options on lenses when the splatter frames were out).

I can possibly see a scenario where the athlete originally had a white/black/neon factory pilot pair in 89, then the splatter comes out in 91 and he switches his trusty 89 lens into a new frame. Or maybe way later in time somebody just had the spare parts from different sets and just put them together especially since the nose piece is wrong (it wouldn't be weird to anyone but a collector).

Is it even an original factory pilot lens in the first place though? I would say that if there ever was an M Frame/Mumbo factory pilot lens, it would make sense to have been earlier rather than later. It doesn't get any earlier than those razor nose cut lenses, so it has that going for it. Or it could be as simple as someone having a spare factory pilot decal and putting it on the old V lens cause it looks cool. Probably just have to add one more thing that is lost in time about M Frame/Mumbo, haha.
Dann
Dann Thombs
Aug 23, 2013 11:35 AM
I was assuming that the lens and frame weren't originally paired. It was the factory pilot aspect that got me. The very early indications of the lens help with some credibility but i had never seen the logo outside the other two models, and i assumed those were.much prior.
BiGCoB
Francois C
Aug 23, 2013 12:54 PM
Could it be just a spare sticker put on there ?
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