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Chris Hoiberg
Jul 6, 2017 10:33 PM
With the technology involved in the Radar Pace, it seemed a good idea to create a dumping ground of sorts to share information and experience... hope this helps.

Radar Pace Firmware Update Release History:
-September 2016 - vx.x.xxx (pre-release)
-October 2016 - v1.2.337 (update available after release)
-November 2016 - v1.2.387
-December 2017 - v1.3.489
-May 2017 - v1.4.568

Radar Pace iPhone App Update Release History:
-September 2016 - v1.1.0
-September 2016 - v1.1.1 (Update includes Firmware Update v1.2.337)
-November 2016 - v1.2.0 (Update includes Firmware Update v1.2.387)
-February 2017 - v1.3.0 (Update includes Firmware Update v1.3.489)
-March 2017 - v1.3.2 (No Firmware Update for Radar Pace)
-May 2017 - v1.4.0 (Update includes Firmware Update v1.4.568)
-June 2017 - v1.4.1 (No Firmware Update for Radar Pace)

There are several factors at play with regards to connectivity:
-Radar Pace Bluetooth pairs with your phone
-Radar Pace connects to external ANT+ sensors
-The ANT+ sensor connectivity is managed through the Radar Pace App
All indications I have, from the behavior of Radar Pace, is that there is a 3-way trust in communications between the Radar Pace, the Radar Pace App, and the ANT+ sensors; without both the Pace or Pace App on/open, data from the sensors will not register.

ANT+ Sensors: (I am currently using Garmin sensors & Stages Cycling sensors)
-Heart Rate Monitors - for running and cycling
-Foot Pods - for running (provide data when running on treadmills; and improved accuracy in stride/power)
-Speed Sensor - for cycling
-Cadence Sensor - for cycling
-Power Meter - for cycling

Current Issue with iPhone iOS 10 & 10.1:
At this time, there are known issues with the Radar Pace and the Bluetooth Stack of the iPhone with the release of iOS 10; which was released within a week of the release of the Radar Pace.

All information I have received indicates that the issues will be resolved in iOS 10.2

Known Issues:

Battery Life
-Battery Life would go from 49% to 0% for no reason.
-After a full charge, battery life would report 0%; they wouldn't turn on, but connecting to charging cable and powering on, you would see the charge begin at 1%.
-Radar Pace would not visually indicate a full charge by the lights glowing green
-After Firmware Update v1.2.387 I Have yet to experience further battery issues.

Radar Pace App
-iPhone App would close during my bike rides; I would pull out my iPhone after the ride to find the App was no longer running.
-After the App Update to v1.1.2 I have yet to experience this issue.

Bluetooth Connectivity (Note: I am using an iPhone 6, and have tested 2 Radar Pace w/ 2 different iPhone 6's running iOS 10.1; both have had issues described below)
-There is a known issue that Bluetooth connectivity, between the Radar Pace and the phone, is disconnected and then reconnected; Radar Pace will try to reestablish the connection while you are running or cycling, and you are notified (audibly) of this.
-Interestingly enough, you can still play music via the Bluetooth connection while this is happening; when Pace looses connectivity, they music will stop, but you can tap the touch sensor on the left temple to start the music up again while Radar Pace Coach reestablishes the connection.
-On occasion, which seems to happen to me during 80% of my workouts (cycling or running), Radar Pace Coach will not reconnect and music will still be playable; the result is a message on the Radar Pace App that says, "Bluetooth Connection Permanently Failed." When this happens, you will need to reboot your phone and then Radar Pace will connect again.
-This is supposed to be resolves in iOS 10.2

Radar Pace App Synchronization
-I have experienced several instances where the completed workout will not synchronize to the cloud.
-Almost every time this happens, it is due to the "Bluetooth Connection Permanently Failed" message.

ANT+ Sensors
-Garmin: I use/have used the Heart Rate, Speed, Speed/Cadence (combo sensor), & Foot Pod without issue.
-Stages Cycling: I use the Power/Cadence (combo sensor) and have constant connectivity issues with it; Radar Pace is constantly loosing data connectivity, and then reconnecting data connectivity... and every time this happens, you are audibly notified of it. (example: "I'm no longer receiving Power Data, I'm no longer receiving Cadence Data." and then "Cadence Data connected, Power Data connected.") I do not believe this is a Stages Cycling sensor issue seeing as I don't see the data for this sensor dropping out on my Garmin Edge 510.
-Also worth mentioning... the Radar Pace will not connect to a cycling computer; but it will share connectivity to the sensors so that Radar Pace will receive the same data that my Garmin Edge 510 does. (This is a good thing)

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Chris Hoiberg
Nov 30, 2016 7:31 PM
Post Date: 10-1-2016 1:04 AM

Tinkered around with the Radar Pace...

Out if the box it'll pair with your phone, and play music; sound quality is nice. Once paired, it prompts you to download the Radar Pace App; which you need to interact w/ it. It pairs with ANT+ devices (Heart Rate Monitor, Speed & Cadence devices, and Power Meters) to pull in stats for your workout. I use almost all these devices to connect to my Garmin Bike Computer, so I'm very curious if I can have these devices connected to both my Garmin & Radar Pace at the same time...

Note the Wind Deflector on the left side... it's for talking to Radar Pace on the bike at speeds 20-30mph. Glad they took this into account, but wish they would have made a matching one for the other side. This piece snaps on, and when it's on, the stem cannot close.

Now if only we had access to the other colorway...
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Chris Hoiberg
Nov 30, 2016 7:32 PM
Post Date: 10-1-2016 5:53 PM

Firmware Update via Bluetooth... straightforward, successful, & impressive.

The Pace connected with my Garmin ANT+ Heart Rate Monitor, and still allowed it to remain connected to my Garmin Bike computer (Pace does NOT connect to bike computers). This was what I was concerned about as my Garmin pulls in data from my HR Monitor, and other sensors (Speed, Cadence, & Power Meters), to provide me a comprehensive summary of my ride that I sync with Strava (Strava is a social media for fitness data). I plan on testing out the connectivity to the sensors on my bike tomorrow. And at this time, I have not figured out if it's possible to upload data from my workouts with Radar Pace, to Strava.

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Chris Hoiberg
Nov 30, 2016 7:32 PM
Post Date: 10-2-2016 9:18 PM

Here's some more info on the Pace and how it works. If you're going to just use it for playing music from your phone, none of this matters, but if you're going to use it for training, this should help clear up questions you might have.


Pleased to see the Export of Radar Pace Data / Import to Strava does in fact exist and work! It's not automatic like Garmin and other devices; it is a bit of a manual process, but at least it works. In the Radar Pace App, you select the share icon on the workout, and then select GPX; you then receive an email to the address you registered your account to, and a link to download. At that point it's just a matter of doing the manual upload to Strava on your computer.


Tested out the ANT+ pairing of the sensors (Garmin) on my bike tonight. Radar Pace recognized the HR Monitor & Speed/Cadence Sensor; confirmed the crank length & wheel size and then I was all set. Both my Garmin 510 & Radar Pace were able to communicate with the all the sensors at the same time; this was my biggest concern as I still wanted all the data to be displayed on my Garmin. Communicating w/ Radar Pace at 21mph was not an issue; requesting Heart Rate & Speed were intuitive... and interacting with her was straight forward. I did realize I now need to get a Power Meter if I truly want more stats and provide Radar Pace with the information she needs to analyze my efforts.
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Chris Hoiberg
Nov 30, 2016 7:33 PM
Post Date: 10-11-2016 9:56 PM

First bike ride with Radar Pace ...all was good for the first 44min (just as I was joining the group and we were getting underway), and then the Coach bailed on me.

I didn't realize it until the end of the ride, after I left the group and headed home; I tried talking to Radar Pace and got no response... so I pulled over and checked my iPhone, and saw this.

During the entire 1hr 46min ride I was still able to listen to my music, which is why I didn't think anything was wrong; when riding with the group at speeds of 25-30mph, I didn't really have the time to interact with Radar Pace.

Note: I'm not sure if this is a problem with Radar Pace or the Bluetooth stack on the iPhone.

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Chris Hoiberg
Nov 30, 2016 7:33 PM
Post Date: 10-12-2016 3:38 AM

I think I might have figured out what caused the Bluetooth Connection Failure with my Radar Pace last night during the ride... there's two scenarios that I was able to put together based on the Time into the ride & the Distance into the ride; both of which lined up with 2 different points on the ride data from my Garmin:
1) The Pace locked up pausing/un-pausing the workout at the Stop sign, at 44:44. (Yes, we stop at them.)
2) The Pace had a communication failure just as we passed under I-295, at 15.6mi; there is a known cellular dead-spot as you are coming off the bridge that drops phone calls every time. It's really bad.
I am thinking it was 2), as this was some serious interference that wouldn't allow the Pace to reconnect.

And interestingly enough, looking at the Workout Detail from the Radar Pace App... look at the Distance & Elapsed Time, very close to passing by the cellular dead spot.

The Bluetooth connection is how it talks to the phone, but the App uses the GPS for location services for the mapping. During the ride, the music would skip in and out every now and then, but always picked right back up. I have had other Bluetooth sport headphones that do this as it's a distance thing, and my phone is in my back pocket. So I didn't think much about it cutting in and out during the ride. (It's wasn't that frequent it did it, but it was at least 5-6 times) When we were passing this spot, 15.6mi, we were moving at 28mph... if it did skip a beat with the music playing, it would have been the last thing my mind was paying attention to in a pack of +30 riders moving at that speed. With the mapping feature having stopped at that distance, I am really thinking the cellular interference did a number on it. It's really a bad spot, everyone in our city knows your phone call will be dropped as soon as you get off the bridge; and this road we were on is less than 100yds from that spot.
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Chris Hoiberg
Nov 30, 2016 7:34 PM
Post Date: 10-29-2016 3:00 PM


Radar Pace w/ iPhone 6 iOS 10.1 ...the problem with the Bluetooth is still NOT fixed.

2 Permanent Failures in one morning... 1st one 3mi in the ride, 2nd one towards the end on the ride (just after 32mi); the last 10mi ride was after the 2nd failure. Re-connectivity between Radar Pace & the App required a reboot on my iPhone; even though music was still playing over the Bluetooth connection. Pace did loose connectivity with the iPhone several times during the ride, but was able to reestablish the connection.

But the worst part of all this, was when Radar Pace told me the battery was at 1%, and was shutting down; this after being at 67% 5min prior. I plugged in Pace once I made it home, and the battery reported at 59%; it would not even power on until it was plugged in and charging.

Oakley needs to get these issues addressed and open up a Support Forum to update the community... offer a place to submit support issues and get updates on issues like this.
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Chris Hoiberg
Nov 30, 2016 8:10 PM
Instagram Post: 10-28-2016


A welcomed sight... was curious how long this would take. Still waiting on HR Zone for Running, as well as Training & HR Zone for Cycling.
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Chris Hoiberg
Nov 30, 2016 8:10 PM
Instagram Post: 10-28-2016


Garmin Foot Pod (ANT+) 2nd run with it tonight, connected to the Radar Pace. Worked out nicely and I believe it provided more accurate metrics to the coaching feedback... Stride Rate, Stride Length, & Power. (Also provides distance & cadence when running on treadmills, or areas without GPS.)Instagram Post:
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Chris Hoiberg
Nov 30, 2016 8:10 PM
Instagram Post: 10-29-2016


Oakley Radar Pace w/ iPhone 6 iOS 10.1 ...the problem with the Bluetooth is still NOT fixed. 2 Permanent Failures in one morning... 1st one 3mi in the ride, 2nd one towards the end on the ride (just after 32mi); the last 10mi ride was after the 2nd failure. Re-connectivity between Radar Pace & the App required a reboot on my iPhone; even though music was still playing over the Bluetooth connection. Pace did loose connectivity with the iPhone several times during the ride, but was able to reestablish the connection. But the worst part of all this, was when Radar Pace told me the battery was at 1%, and was shutting down; this after being at 67% 5min prior. I plugged in Pace once I made it home, and the battery reported at 59%; it would not even power on until it was plugged in and charging. Oakley OakleyBike ...you all need to get these issues addressed and open up a Support Forum to update the community... offer a place to submit support issues and get updates on issues like this.
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Chris Hoiberg
Nov 30, 2016 8:12 PM
Instagram Post: 10-31-2016

ANT+ Power Meter & Cadence Sensor to connect with Oakley Radar Pace


Last of the upgrades to my Cannondale SuperSix EVO Hi-Mod... Stages Power Meter, as well as some larger chainrings. Time to train harder w/ more accountability.
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Chris Hoiberg
Nov 30, 2016 8:14 PM
Instagram Post: 11-12-2016


Back on the bike, 53mi this morning... iPhone/Pace issues continued through the entire ride. I think the majority of the issues are iPhone/Bluetooth related, but now suspect that there is an issue with the ANT+ reception/range on the Radar Pace... the entire ride all I keep hearing were notifications that my Cadence Data & Power Data were disconnected, then reconnected... it's one of the furthest sensors from the eyewear when riding, and my Garmin did not loose connectivity with any of my sensors. Battery on the Pace was at 19% after 2hrs 45min; and that's with all possible cycling sensors connected while listening to music.
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Chris Hoiberg
Nov 30, 2016 8:13 PM
Instagram Post: 11-14-2016


Had to go without the Oakley Radar Pace tonight... charged the battery to 99% after Saturday's ride; put them on tonight to find them at 1%, "Battery Critically Low." This is the second time its happened. Seriously wish Oakley would have included a charger with a plug on it, not just a USB cable... no telling if the charging source is the problem, or if it's the Radar Pace.
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Chris Hoiberg
Nov 30, 2016 8:13 PM
Instagram Post: 11-15-2016


Radar Pace behaved for most of the ride tonight, but did experience the "Permanent Bluetooth Connection Failure" 3mi before the end of my ride.
Some notes/observations:
1) I was able to identify that ~75% of the Power & Cadence Disconnect/Reconnect notifications w/ Pace receiving data from my Stages Cycling Power Meter (it does Cadence as well) happened after stopping at traffic lights or stop signs; the notification is typically delayed by 10-15 seconds and you hear the messages after you have resumed pedaling, much like the auto pause notification message is delayed. It would lead me to believe the Stages Cycling Power Meter stops transmitting data when it's not moving; either at a stop, or while free-wheeling in the draft of a group ride (I think this was the case on Saturday). But there were still ~25% of Disconnect/Reconnects that occurred while I was pedaling that I couldn't isolate.
2) I had several Bluetooth disconnects with my iPhone (~10 tonight), and they did reconnect within 10-15 seconds; but what I did notice, and it seems to be consistent, is when the Permanent Bluetooth Connection Failure occurs, it is right after Pace reconnects from a disconnection, and within 15-30 seconds has another disconnection...
3) No battery issue tonight; battery was at 54% after a 90min ride, and was charged to 99% when I started.
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Chris Hoiberg
Nov 30, 2016 8:15 PM
Instagram Post: 11-27-2016


Oakley Radar Pace App Update for the iPhone is released... hoping this resolves the App Crashing and many other issues with the Pace.
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Chris Hoiberg
Nov 30, 2016 8:15 PM
Instagram Post: 11-27-2016


Along with the App Update, Oakley Radar Pace has a Firmware Update taking it from v1.2.337 ➡️ v1.2.387 ...I can only hope that this resolves the frequent Bluetooth Connection issues, and the constant Disconnection/Reconnection with certain external ANT+ Sensors (Stages Cycling Power & Cadence).
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Chris Hoiberg
Nov 30, 2016 8:16 PM
Instagram Post: 11-27-2016


Finally getting the steady green charging light when charging Oakley Radar Pace after the Firmware v1.2.387 update. (Only time I've seen the green light is when doing firmware updates.)
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Chris Hoiberg
Nov 30, 2016 8:16 PM
Instagram Post: 11-27-2016


"OK Radar, behave." (Please)
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Chris Hoiberg
Dec 1, 2016 5:51 PM
Instagram Post: 11-27-2016


So... I can confirm that playing music over Bluetooth still works after the App & Firmware Update. I had to reboot my iPhone each time the "Bluetooth Connection Permanently Failed." Only went out for a 23mi ride tonight. I'm hoping that the next iPhone iOS Update is going to resolve this...



Information Received:
This is an iOS issue we've been tracking that started with the release of iOS 10 and that will be resolved when Apple releases 10.2. This disconnection issue is happening with many products. On most Radar Pace disconnection occasions the connection is found and the workout continued. On a couple occasions I've needed to go into iOS settings/Bluetooth/forget device and then change selected inside the Radar Pace app: More/Eyewear and sensors/Eyewear Info/Change Selected. Good luck!

My Response:
Thanks for the response! I do have frequent disconnects, w/ successful reconnects; but the Permanent Failure ones require me to reboot my iPhone. Forgetting the Bluetooth Device only creates additional frustration, and I still have to reboot the iPhone. I had noticed similar issues syncing my Garmin Edge after the iOS 10 update, but that has stabilized a bit with the recent 10.1 update. FYI: I am continuing to have disconnect issues with the Power/Cadence ANT+ sensor on my Stages Cycling Power Meter; Garmin ANT+ sensors are working fine. I can see the Power/Cadence data drop out on the Pace App, and I do not see the data dropping out when I review the ride data on Garmin Connect.
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Chris Hoiberg
Nov 30, 2016 8:30 PM
Some screen shots of the Data disconnects between Radar Pace and my Stages Cycling Power Meter/Candence Sensor... you can see they both drop out together while Heart Rate & Speed Sensor Data is still logging (both are seperate Garmin sensors).




Here is the entire ride logged by my Garmin Edge 510, uploaded to Strava, that was connected to the same sensors.

https://www.strava.com/activities/786455082/analysis
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Kenny "HED" Wu
Nov 30, 2016 9:34 PM
This thread is waaay better than an instruction manual. Thank you for doing this.
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Chris Hoiberg
Nov 30, 2016 10:53 PM
This thread is waaay better than an instruction manual. Thank you for doing this. - HED4JC


Welcome! Yeah, you're pretty much on your own when you get these. I actually brought my bike into the store and showed the staff how sensors pair and communicate... the sad thing is, none of the staff at the O Stores were trained on how they work. When I stop in O Stores, usually the first question I get involves using Radar Pace and explaining how it all works.
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Dean
Dec 1, 2016 12:35 AM
I am growing more and more frustrated with my Radar Pace. When I first got it there were some issues with losing connectivity. Then for several weeks it was working fine and I was happy! I was using the training plan for a half marathon in February and it was working well. Now it seems since I did the firmware upgrade the eyewear loses connectivity with the app. I will restart my music and my Strava will stay connected (I still use the audio announcements via Strava).

When this happens I will look at the Radar Pace app and it says workout has ended.

Since I am using the training plan is not completely tracking my runs and it looks as if I have not completed my training for the day.....then it gives me a "substitute" running plan for my rest day.

I'll give it another week....then I will call Oakley to see what they say. Right now I just have an overpriced pair of Bluetooth headphones.
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Chris Hoiberg
Dec 1, 2016 1:46 AM
I agree with that last statement Del518, "Right now I just have an overpriced pair of Bluetooth headphones."

Frustrated only begins to describe my relationship with Radar Pace at this time.

I'm curious about your use of Strava... I only use Strava to sync my workouts to from other Apps after my workouts. Either from my Garmin for cycling (via Garmin Connect that automatically uploads it to Strava) or my Nike+ sportswatch for running which I used previously before Radar Pace (and that was a manual export of the run data, and a manual upload to Strava). I've never used the Strava App on the phone; do you use the App to just track the run, and it provides the feedback via the Bluetooth headphones? Or are you connecting a Heart Rate monitor to your phone as well, and it brings that data into your run on the Strava App?

I have seen the Radar Pace end a workout on several occasions, but very rare; and it happened on both firmware versions. Most of my workouts end when the Bluetooth Connection Permanently Failed message appears. It does not end the workout though; I still have to select End Workout. I experienced the App completely close on me... no indication it had closed either. (This was before the v1.2.0 update)

The problems with Radar Pace failing and not tracking my entire run is why I haven't created a training program; I wasn't going to do this until I knew Radar Pace was stable and wouldn't loose my run data. And of course it is the reason I still, and will always, rely on my Garmin Edge for tracking all my cycling data. Stability & Reliability are important... run & cycling data is very important to those that invest their time in training; the data is very personal.

I am close to giving up on Radar Pace for anything other than music; I'm seriously debating a Garmin Vivosmart HR+ that tracks Heart Rate from the device and has GPS built in. I know it will work because it's Garmin, and I know the software will export my data to Strava.

Be curious to hear what support says if you end up calling them.
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Del518
Dean
Dec 1, 2016 2:55 AM
I am using the Strava app on my phone as I run/bike. As soon as the run or bike ends I will save my workout and I am done. I do not sync from any other device. The Strava app will also pick up my HR monitor in the same way that the Radar Pace app does via "manage sensor" feature.

I only use the "audio cues" on the Strava app when I run and I have it setup to give me feedback every 1/2 mile. It will tell you distance and pace. It doesn't give you all the metrics that the Radar Pace does....which fine as the Strava app is free and reliable.
 
 
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